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We can change the characters here. Now it is not a woman at the well, but your friend. He has had 2 wives and the one he has is not his. If he should divorce her and remarry, we can change that number to 3. Only those joined by the Father, man cannot separate. But those married by men may be separated by men! Those He joined at the beginning do not meet one another until the Wedding Feast in Heaven. Only there is it possible to meet your true God-given mate for eternity.

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

I don't think counseling or teaching is your gift.

You have a wealth of scripture but very little of what you ever post is clear. Where are you coming from and what is your background? I have tried and tried to follow you.

I am being so honest and please know that I am trying to voice a sincere desire to understand you.

Maybe I'm a babe and need to be spoon fed. I will admit my shortcomings but you speak of things that I have never heard and just cant seem to comprehend in the spirit or natural.

It is a shame that your repetoire of scripture is being wasted and going over my head.
How can we help one another here?
Sincerely,
Bev

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

Notice he said: I "must needs" go through Samaria.
This word is Deo in the greek and it means "to be bound to a wife" in the thayer's concordance. The root of this word is Dei. It translates: Destiny...Necessity..established and decreed by God. He walked 33 miles to see this woman at the well at HIGH NOON!!! Time for a gunfight at the ok corral to get the woman he loved!!! The flesh(lawman)wants the soul and the spirit(grace)wants the woman also. If you can get the apostle and prophet together(the thumb and the forefinger)that my friend is God's crystal Pistol that shoots down the law!!! THERE WAS NO SHADOW ON THE SUNDIAL AT HIGH NOON!!!! For the law having a SHADOW of GOOD things to come. The bible speaks of the shadow that shall flee away!! Bye-bye law.

Jesus was the good thing to come!!!

Ephesians 4:11 to see the hand of God...the five finger ministry.

He walked 33 miles to see this woman at the well. He hung on the cross at 33 years old. He walked out his life for this woman!! The gentile nation he would also marry!!!!!

He removed the shadow(the law). He was talking to a woman in broad daylight. This was considered a disgrace especially this woman. Why did she not come to the well early in the morning like the other women. Why come at HIGH NOON!!!! Maybe she was an outcast. Jesus loves outcasts!!

Remember he met her at a well!!!
Rebekah met Isaac at a well.
Rachel met Jacob at a well.
Moses met Zipporah at a well!!!

All of the above met future husbands at wells. Do you think Jesus knew this?????? What was he REALLY doing?????

He was meeting his future wife at a well at high noon!!!He walked out his whole life for this woman by walking 33 miles!! He purposely arrived when the shadow on the sundial was gone!!!! The law was the shadow. Why did he talk about her husbands????? Could the five she once have be her FIVE SENSES????? Could the six represent esp???? Her sixth sense?? Could the 7th husband which he was be her true husband???? Now don't get carnal here or I'll lose you in this spiritual application!!!

He sat ON THE WELL!!! He capped it off!!! The waters that were became the waters that are!!!!!! He was the true water from the heavens... the true rain!!!

THE WATER SAT ON THE WATER!! In Gen. you have waters above and waters below. More later, the snowman

Thou hast "had" five!

And the "man" you are NOW with is NOT your husband. #6

Woman, "go get" YOUR husband!!!

A "woman" once had 7 husbands, submitted to all of them,
yet in the Resurrection, whose "wife" shall she be?

Hallelujah!

You may have to come up a little higher to see this!!Jesus knew he had to walk out types and shadows when he was here.

6 in the morn=passover
9 in the morn=pentecost(peter says: this men are not drunk as ye suppose seeing it is but the 3rd hour of the day=9:00 a.m.
12=the feast of tabernacles when all are reconciled on the day of atonement!!! He arrived at the well at 12..high noon!!! He was telling her if ye will learn to speak to your well within your very being you will never have to come back to this well(old tradition)to get water. I can give you living water!!!

Eccl. 10:7 speaks of princes walking as servants. Jesus was a prince walking as a servant. The highest honor is to be a servant!! He walked 33 miles to see her.

There is so much in this story to bring out. He talked about true worship and even said it was going on right then. This was not true in the natural realm showing he was high in the spirit beyond the linear time realm!!! He said: There is coming a time(subject to time here)then he said and NOW IS...WHICH IN THE FAITH REAL THERE IS NO TIME!!! in Rev. 10 an angel touches earth and says: time shall be no more.

As far as your friend Dave he is not bound to this woman. God does not get hung up on things that the natural man calls sacred. Most of what man calls sacred is an abomination to God!! Jesus told Nicodemus flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit! God does not join flesh to flesh. Man does that!! God joins spirit to spirit!! I don't expect all to understand this. When Paul talked about marriage that the woman is bound by law to that husband until the husband be dead he was talking about the carnal man being our first husband...he HAS TO BE DECLARED DEAD BEFORE THE WOMAN CAN MARRY AGAIN!!!!!! America right now is joined to her 6th husband...the five senses got boring..so she sought out the soothsayers as in Daniel. There is much to say about all of this but I have typed enough for now. Sorry this was so long.

your eternal friend, Michael

And ye are dead to the law by the body of Christ.

Sure agree with this.

This does not mean that we teach men to break the
commandments, but we are dead to the law "for righteousness." Christ is the end of the law, "for
righteousness."

We have to look beyond the "flesh" of any man to see the
SECOND Man. Paul said there is nothing good in the flesh. The Galatians were just like all men, having
"begun" in the Spirit, they got them a 6th husband to
"finish" in the flesh. Jesus told the woman at the well]
"that man" was NOT her husband.

I say this all the time, but it is because I understand it, and believe it has everything to do with the fact that Jesus came to give us an abundant life. In all of the earth, there will be seed, time, and harvest! Sometimes we have to count the cost, in our lives, and LIVE! The earth takes care of itself, and we need to own our earth experience. It sounded to me like the person asking about divorce had already gone through pain and suffering in a relationship, and the last thing he needed, was for someone to put a law on him. We are under no law, and God wants us to accept his love, so that we are healthy enough to be able to love others. No one should be penalized for the rest of their life, because of a choice they made in marriage. People grow apart and even change, and we have used a law to keep people unhappy.

As we grow and find out who we are in God, we do find we can have joy in every circumstance. We are no longer trying to change our mate, or make up for wrong choices in our life. We see continual change inside of us, as we are becoming the wife of a God who said he would be our husband. Trying to measure up to something people have said God expected from us, has caused many to give up on themselves. The scripture that says God hates divorce defines God's nature. He is always willing to forgive and love us. He loved us so much that he was willing to divorce a Nation to adopt us into himself, for God was in Christ, reconciling the whole world unto himself.

We spend far too much time consuming ourselves with our flesh. Flesh, or earth takes care of itself. Our earth bodies are going to end, and everything we have done to rectify our flesh will be burned, but our Spirit will last forever, and everything we do in Spirit is eternal. My opinion is to do what we have to do in flesh,
and do it quickly. Remind ourselves every day of what God says about us. He loves us and has spoken a blessing over us. He has a plan for each one of us, and has given us the annointing to walk it out. There are billions of people on earth, and so far, there is only one, who actually finished his course and was perfect.

I am not sure how the question brought about the woman at the well, but with the explanation of that scripture came great understanding. I pray for the one who is going through this in his walk, and speak peace to him. May God grant him renewed thinking and much joy in his life. May he walk in the blessings that have been spoken over him before the foundation of the world. Love and Peace, Gayle

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The Problem

Ever know someone that has been told that they must break up their marriage because they are living in adultery? Or what about being told that they could not remarry because they did no have a “scriptural” CAUSE FOR DIVORCE? All to common an occurrence! A serious problem indeed!

Is there hope in Christ for forgiveness when the marriage vows have been broken, families split, churches and friends embarrassed, children confused, etc.? For nearly eight years after my experiencing the breakup of my own marriage, I not only wrestled with this question myself but have been asked by others whose marriages have been ruined, “Is there forgiveness and hope?” I must admit that in 30 years of ministry I did not give those who sought my counsel in these matters much hope. Having accepted (to some degree) the “hopeless” thinking of a segment of ministers whom I respected, I had not taken an in-depth look at this question myself.

Because of the seriousness of this problem and a desire to give hope to those who have been given no hope this tract is being written. It is not meant to be offensive or divisive. Those who know me best will understand that I do not wish to create controversy but rather healing. For years now I have chosen only to study privately with those who have marriage or divorce problems. I still feel the shame of my divorce and ask the forgiveness of those adversely affected. But, I have been forgiven by a merciful God and I believe He would want me to share that same assurance of forgiveness with others who are longing for it.

This publication is certainly not an exhaustive study of the problem but rather a scriptural, common sense approach that will perhaps give a breath of fresh air to those who feel suffocated by the traditional counsel of those who offer no hope.

Stop right now and pray for God to give you understanding and knowledge of His will for your life! Open your mind to the will of God and allow Him to give you forgiveness and hope!

Divorce Not God’s Will

God hates divorce (Mal. 2:16). Jesus said, “What God has joined together let not man put asunder.” (Mt. 9:6) For those of us who have gone through the heartbreak and heartache of divorce or have been a family member affected by divorce, we can certainly see why it is not God’s will for a marriage to be dissolved. Guilt, pain, embarrassment, confusion, anger, discouragement, resentment, and other short and long term psychological effects make it well worth the effort to save a marriage.

Human Imperfection

God’s ideal is for marriage to last a lifetime, but since humans are imperfect they sometimes fall short of the ideal. Jesus did not say what God has joined together man cannot put asunder. He said, “Let (allow) not man put asunder.” Inferring the possibility that man can sunder or break up a marriage.

“Still Married In God’s Eyes”

Most believe that if a divorce has taken place due to fornication, the “innocent” party is free to remarry. Some then take the position that the “guilty” party is never able to remarry because “in the eyes of God he/she is still married to the first mate.” According to this position, if the guilty party remarries he/she is “living in adultery” with the second mate.

It is important to see that Jesus did not say whosoever puts away or divorces his wife for a cause other than fornication is still married in the eyes of God. To read this into Mt. 19:9, is to add to the scriptures. In fact Jesus even goes on to say “and shall marry another” indicating that the first marriage has been dissolved and that a second marriage has taken place.

If in fact the guilty party is still married to the first mate, then you have an impossible situation. Let’s be satisfied with letting the text say exactly what it says—“divorces” (“put away” KJV) and “marries.”

“Living In Adultery”

In order to “live in adultery”, assuming the word adultery always refers to a sex act which the traditional view does assume, one must still be married to the former mate. Since we have shown that divorce for any reason ends a marriage, how could one by remarrying continue to violate the first marriage covenant? It is not reasonable to say that one can commit adultery against someone to whom he/she is not married. Adultery can be committed in dissolving the first marriage but not in living in the second marriage unless the second marriage covenant is violated.

The counsel given by some of breaking up the second marriage to remarry the first mate of remain single only creates another sinful divorce. This action also violates the law under which Jesus taught when He gave His instructions recorded in Mt. 19. This law stated that a man who found his wife to be unclean could write her a bill of divorcement, give it to her and send her out of his house and when she is departed she may go and be another man’s wife. Her former husband may not take her again to be his wife for that is abomination before the Lord (Deut. 24:1-4). Jesus surely was not teaching something in Mt. 19 that contradicted God’s law under which He lived! Consider that even David was not required to divorce Bathsheba.

Repent of What Sin?

Those who have divorced and remarried against God’s will need to repent and ask forgiveness of God. Of what sin should one repent? The sin of divorcing and remarrying or to put it another way of breaking their first covenant. There is no need to repent of living in adultery with a second mate since that is not the sin. To repent involves being sorry for the sundering of the first marriage and to determine not to break the covenant with the present spouse in order to marry another. God will forgive!

Remarriage?

We have already seen that living in a second marriage is not living in adultery. God saw that the man He had created should not be alone so He made a woman to be his companion. (Gen. 2:7-25) Since that time God has encouraged marriage between the two sexes. Homosexual and incestual relationship are classified as sinful, (Rom. 1:18-27, Mk. 6:18, 1 Cor. 5:1-5), but normal male/female unions are encouraged in the Bible (1 Cor. 7:2). With the exception of a few who are classified as eunuchs, (Mt. 19:10-12) males and females have a strong natural attraction to each other, the sexual fulfillment of which is permissible only in marriage. That is why Paul stated that in order to avoid fornication every man should have his own wife and evey woman her own husband. (1 Cor. 7:2) To forbid marriage is to teach a doctrine of the devil. (1 Tim. 4:1-3)

The people of Corinth, some of which had been adulterers, (1 Cor. 6:9-11) were told to marry and have husbands and wives in order to avoid fornication. (1 Cor. 7:2) Even those who had been divorced were told that if they married they did not sin. (1 Cor.7:27-28) Here a man was divorced by his wife. We really have only two options here. Either he was divorced for the cause of fornication or he was divorce for some other cause. If it was for fornication then according to the traditional theory he could not remarry because he was the “guilty party”. But if he were divorced for a cause other than fornication, according to the tradition theory, he would have been divorced “unscripturally” and even though innocent could not marry again. But Paul said that if he married he would not sin. Who should we believe tradition or the Bible?

Jesus instructed the apostle that the Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth and that He would bring to remembrance all things that He had said. (Jn. 14:26; 16:13-15) We may conclude then that Paul, being an apostle and being guided by the Holy Spirit, would not contradict anything that Jesus had said. Statements of Jesus should not be interpreted as contradictory to the apostles.

Practice of The Early Church

The fact is that no one in the New Testament scriptures was ever told to break up a marriage except Herod who was guilty of incest. (Mk, 6:18) None that had been married more than once were told that they were to divorce before they could be accepted into the church. No church members were told that they should end a marriage and either return to their first mate of stay single. The case sometimes mention in 1Cor.7:10-11, is in reference to a married woman not a divorced woman. This woman was separated not divorced from her husband. Notice in verse 10, that this instruction is addressed specifically “unto the married.” She was to be reconciled to her husband or remain unmarried in the sense of not marrying someone else.

Is it not incredible that both Jews and Romans were very liberal in regard to divorcing and remarrying and yet not a word was said to them either as prospective Christians or practicing Christians in regard to breaking up any marriages! Why then should we now make this stipulation?

Grace Doesn’t Give License

Sometimes it is expressed that if we show forgiveness to those who repent of sinfully breaking up a marriage we give the impression that we are condoning the sin. If a person repents of drunkenness and we forgive him does that mean that we condone drunkenness? What about lying, stealing, or even murder? To forgive in no way means to condone the sin!! Jesus did in (Jn. 8:3-11)

Should the church refuse to use repentant sinners in a public way in fear that they might be a bad influence on others? Perhaps there should be some good judgment used in regard to the timing both in too soon and too long. But we should be consistent in our practice with respect to other sins. Showing forgiveness is an encouragement to others to repent, else they may be encouraged to hide their sin. But, shall we sin that grace may abound” God forbid. (Rom 6:2)

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.

I have advised my friend and continue to advise him but he is still making up his mind as to what he is going to do. Thanks for asking. I will let you know! The following is part of what I advised him.

Your wife is dead. Death means to be separated from. When we go to the funeral home to see someone that has died, we see that they have been separated from their body that they lived in while on this earth and their body is no longer functional. Life has been separated from that body. The house your wife has lived in is no longer capable of allowing your wife’s spirit to communicate to you or be a wife to you any longer because of this disease. She has been separated from you by her family and by this disease and is dead to you. Your marriage vowels have been broken because she is no longer capable of giving herself to you.
Paul said in Rom. 7:1-3,

“The Law can press its claims over a person only as long as he is alive? 2For a married woman is bound by the Law to her husband while he is living, but if her husband dies, she is released from the Law concerning her husband. 3So while her husband is living, she will be called an adulterer even if she lives with another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from this Law, so that she is not an adulterer if she marries another man.

Yes, your wife’s body still functions but without the control of her conscious mind. It has ceased to function. This is a living death.

You are free from your marriage vowels. In the eyes of the law of the land, you would have to obtain a certificate of divorce in order to remarry.

You must understand that we are no longer living under Law but under grace. Paul said in Rom. 8:2,

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.”

He also said in Gal. 3;10-12,

“10Certainly all who depend on the works of the Law are under a curse. For it is written, “A curse on everyone who does not obey everything that is written in the Book of the Law!” 11Now it is obvious that no one is justified in the sight of God by the Law, because “The righteous will live by faith.” 12But the Law has nothing to do with faith. Instead, “The person who keeps the commandments will have life in them.”

Paul is saying that if you choose to base your faith in your ability to obey laws, even if it is God’s laws, you are cursed because if you break any one of them you are guilty of all of them and doomed. This is exactly what you are doing by believing because you fail to live up to what you know to be right then God will not give you a home in heaven. He is not going to give you a home in heaven because you obey all His commandments but because you have faith in Him. Righteousness comes by faith in what Jesus did for us not on what we are able to do for Him.

Paul said in Eph. 2:8-9,

“For by such grace you have been saved through faith. This does not come from you; it is the gift of God 9and not the result of works, lest anyone boast.”

Paul is saying that because of God’s grace toward you He has given you the faith to believe as a gift to you and not because you did something. When Jesus died on that cross your salvation was a done deal and now if you want to be pleasing to God you will do what He instructs you to do without the fear of missing heaven or being punished for making mistakes.

Think on these things. What I am telling you is the truth. Asked God to reveal to you what His will is for you in this situation you are in and believe that He will do just that.

John,
GOOD NEWS, Inc.