"Crisis comes to reveal the mind of the Spirit.....
so that we may walk & KNOW the sound of the voice of HIS word"

I welcome any input on this.
Thanks,
Bev

Blessings,

John

My first reaction to this was that God would never allow this to happen in someone's life. After several years of seeking his face, and ultimately understanding the steps in my life that brought this about, I heard his voice.

The words I heard, which I have ministered many times, even on this site were, "You are the word made flesh."

I could not tell anyone at first because Jesus is the word made flesh. However, I talked about it at one of our bible studies one evening, and just telling what the voice said, gave me understanding of sonship.

The Bar-Mitz-Vah is the Jewish ritual where the 13 year old boy takes religious responsibility and takes his Father's name. Until this time he was being raised by his mother.

We ignore this ritual and chalk it up to Jewish ceremonies, but it has a lot to do with our walk. There is an appointed time that we leave our Mother's tent, so to speak, and we go into Father's tent and begin to learn from him. This is where we hear Father's voice.

I know you have probably read some of what I am writing, but I just wanted to agree with you, knowing two is the number for witness, and I have seen the manifestation of what you are hearing.I believe this is a reverberation of what the son's of God are hearing in the earth today.

It was crisis that brought me to the mind of Spirit, and the place of knowing the sound of his voice. I am always saying crisis is not a bad thing, because judgment is the way God makes right, the things that are wrong. I always felt as though God was calling me to that place of mercy, and I refused to listen. The crisis was open rebuke, and a hell to go through.

I believe he loves us too much to let us continue in our rebellious ways, and crisis gets our attention. The crisis was of my own doing, but he made right the things that were wrong. Love Gayle

–adjective 6. of, referring to, or for use in dealing with a crisis.

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Origin:
1375–1425; late ME < L < Gk krísis decision, equiv. to kri- var. s. of krnein to decide, separate, judge + -sis -sis

Related forms:

crisic, adjective

Synonyms:
1. See emergency.

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cri·sis (kr?'s?s)
n. pl. cri·ses (-s?z)

A crucial or decisive point or situation; a turning point.

An unstable condition, as in political, social, or economic affairs, involving an impending abrupt or decisive change.

A sudden change in the course of a disease or fever, toward either improvement or deterioration.

An emotionally stressful event or traumatic change in a person's life.

The definition is long but some of it speaks loudly. However, I am of the belief that the only CRISIS that has anything to do with "revealing the mind of the Spirit" is the crisis that took place 2000years ago on the cross of Calvary, which was the CRISIS or turning point for all of humanity. My individual emergencies can have one of many effects upon me. They can lead me to seek after God, or they can push me away from God. Some folks' crisis has led them to suicide, while others' has caused their walk with God to become of greater importance to them. If however, one does not have a walk with God the general tendency is that crisis pushes them away from God.
I believe that knowing the sound of His voice comes from relationship with Him, not from what we may suffer in a crisis situation.
The crisis on the cross will definitely have an effect upon all men, as all men were ojn the cross WITH HIM. Thank God the effect of that finished work has been and is being REALIZED by many of us now.

And Gayle, you are so right! Many, if not most of the crisises (not sure of that spelling lol) are definitely of our own doing. But God, in spite of our doings, keeps being what He is, a loving and beneficent God who loves us with an undying and unending love. Delivering us out of all of our wrongdoings and healing all of our infirmities and diseases and sicknesses. Forgiving all of mine iniquities, etc.... Praise the Lord for His lovingkindness toward the sons of men.

Be blessed!
Ken

I like what John said: We see Christ in Crisis.

Gayle, I have walked down that path with you time after time. It seems that human nature will seek it's own path until there is a 'Crisis' and then we seek God, desire to hear his voice in the word. At least that has been my experience. That Crisis tends to be a turning point. It does serve a purpose.

Ken, I agree with you about the finished work on the cross. But I have not yet seen a completely finished work in me.
I guess I am still under construction. Still walking some things/most things out.

There are many times in my life when I look back on it now, that I am thankful for the crisis (turning point). If it were not for that brick wall I would have continued in pride, arrogance, unforgiveness etc..
Now I will confess a particular situation:
After my divorce I carried extreme unforgiveness and at times hatred for my X husband. I wrestled with this for many years. I had prayed and asked God to remove it from me. It was a bitter seed that had taken root and was becoming a full blown crop.
The Crisis/turning point came. When our son was killed in the car accident; I looked at Lance with fresh eyes. I grieved for him as I was the only one that could KNOW his pain as it was mine as well.

It was a hard lesson. Christ was right in the middle of our crisis. March 3rd 2008, we buried the hatchet when we buried our son. No words were spoken. The cold war was over. I remember returning home to TN broken in every way but there was also the purest cleansing in every fiber of my being. (I cannot explain how this felt). That hatred had completely left me. The bitter weeds were jerked out in one swoop.

That my dear friends, it history that I would never trade nor repeat.

Blessing today,
Bev

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In posting the definitions of crisis, I would say most of everything posted has to do with coming to a turning point, as Ken stated. I would go as far as to say every crisis is of someone's doing. We take part in the earth law of, seed, time, and harvest, to come to crisis, and find that he, God was there all the time.

The Strong's Concordance defines judgment in the Hebrew as the word mishpat. Mishpat means judgment rights, and there are two main senses. The first deals with sitting as a judge and rendering a proper verdict.Eccl.12:14 is used as an example of this, "For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." the second has to do with rights, belonging to someone. The sphere in which things are in proper relationship to one's claims, such as judicial verdict, judgments having to do with law.

Strong's#2920, the word Krisis, the Greek translation is the process of investigation, a passing of judgment upon a person or thing, judicial authority, justice, divine judgment executed.

The crisis that took place on the cross, truly was our judgment(crisis), however the way we find ourselves on the cross, is through crisis. When crisis happens in our lives, we turn to find a way to make this crisis right, or at least be able to live with it.

John, in the book of Revelations, is in the isle of Patmos, which means "My Killing", and it is a place we all go. History tells us he was boiled in oil, I call this a real crisis. This crisis came before he turned, or had a turning point.

Saul was on his way to kill Christians, and he was blinded for three days, what a crisis?

I am repeating myself but Isa 1:17 tells us to learn to do well, seek Judgment. It is a time in our life where we become pliable, obedience, submissive, and where we have an ear to hear.

Every step we take, every word we say, and every thought is of our own doing, and eventually these steps will lead us to crisis, or judgment,and this will cause us to at some point to remember who we are. Gayle

John, in the book of Revelations, is in the isle of Patmos, which means "My Killing", and it is a place we all go. History tells us he was boiled in oil, I call this a real crisis. This crisis came before he turned, or had a turning point.

Saul was on his way to kill Christians, and he was blinded for three days, what a crisis?

I am repeating myself but Isa 1:17 tells us to learn to do well, seek Judgment. It is a time in our life where we become pliable, obedience, submissive, and where we have an ear to hear.

Every step we take, every word we say, and every thought is of our own doing, and eventually these steps will lead us to crisis, or judgment,and this will cause us to at some point to remember who we are. Gayle

Gayle, that, I find is very good and inspired writing as it addresses the cross at work in our lives. In a round about way this whole earthly experience is but a crisis, a cross to bear, a furnace to purify and a lonely sojourn of separation from home and Father. How my heart cries for a worldly resurrection and heaven on earth where all men dwell in peace and love. Where there is no tear, nor pain or death. God knows I am doing my part to bring it about as for such was I ordained, as were you, each to play a part.

So it is also, with my earthly father today, who is in the last throes of his earthly existence. Even today he may realize his curtain call where the veil is rent and he finds himself embraced in the Father's bosom. There he will hear the words whispered in tender love, Well done, my son. Upon which, he will lay his accolade and crown at Jesus' feet.

It was some years ago, when I realized the Sovereign God, that the Lord showed me my father's plight. You see my dad was an alcoholic and a hard man with his family. When I grew up home was hell because of his difficult ways. Then one day, Jesus showed me my dad could have done no different, as this was the role he was given in life and it would one day be realized for good in the overall purpose and plan of God. It was then my hate for this cold tyrant of a man was turned to love. Such are the ways of our sovereign God that works all for good, til all creation sees God as All in All.

With that I ask your prayers for my father as he makes the transition from his earthly role to rest. Please include my family, as none, at this time hold our great hope in Christ Jesus.

Thanks,

John

I do pray for your family in this time of transition. I pray that your faith fail not and that a renewed vision of Jesus Christ the Healer, and Savior be made real to you all. That the God of Love, not hatred and anger, will reveal Himself to you in a fresh way. Hope springs eternal within my heart that the true revelation of the Finished Work, meaning, no more to be done by HIM, will make its way into all of our hearts. Our work and walk is to allow the Holy Spirit free reign in our lives so that which is legally completed, becomes experientially completed in us as well.

I would consider it an honor to speak with you personally and discuss these matters with you in a forum not online. Mainly because I realize that this type of forum, though good and acceptable, only shows the argumentative side of ones beliefs, and that truly is not my heart. My heart is to reconcile! First to reconcile my beliefs to Gods Word, and then to administer that reconciliation out to my fellow man. We have indeed had some good discussions and many have provoked me to study deeper and have caused my faith to grow, and for that I thank you. I don't truly know if the words written with your name onthem are yours or those of your father but that doesnt really matter. Some of them have truly caused me to study the word and for that I thank you. I can't say that your posts have changed any of my thinking as they haven't but they did cause me to have a renewed focus on the true and living God of Love and Mercy. Not the one who some say beats you up then heals you causing His own kingdom to be divided. The kingdom of God is one! We choose our path and we walk where we want to go because God has made us so.

An interesting thought just came to me! If God is sovereign, (AND HE IS), and if we are/were created IN HIS IMAGE AND HIS LIKENESS (AND WE WERE) then it only stands to reason that we too are sovereign. My ability to exercise that sovereignty that was given to me in no way challenges the absolute sovereignty of God.
HE IS AND WE ARE!

Ken

Oh my such vain thinking when you are a work of creation still in progress. All I can say is, "walk through my kitchen wall showing me your new body and bring me a hot cup of coffee while you are at it, Ken" lol

Oh how the carnal man wants to earn his salvation! He wants credit for something .... who dare believe it's grace ....... pure unadulterated unmerited favor. In the simplest terms, "grace is a gift, God's unmerited favor"

As Christ reveals himself to you, you are changed ..... pure and simple, it's all about Him .... not you and what you can do Ken, for you are really quite futile .... a man filled with vain grandiose illusions. I once was there also and truth be known He is still working my vanity out of me.

"For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope" Rom 8:20

You possess the God syndrome. Man desiring to be as God by his own terms ..... didn't work for Adam ....... won't work for you my friend.

Ken, what you are proposing is self dieing to self and what a silly circle that is ...... as one chasing his own tail.

It is all about Christ and His life for ours .... a pure gift given out of a pure spirit ...... no wonder the Holy Spirit is rendered "hagios pneuma" in Greek which means .... "clean or pure breath."

Right now Ken, God has not revealed Himself to you in this area and you are trying to earn a gift you already posses ...... such is the ignorance and vanity of carnal man. I was in the same position my friend, and then in a "crisis" Jesus revealed Himself as the Crisis Manager and brought surrender to my life. He had my crisis under control. It was then I understood I could do nothing to please God. He loved me unconditionally. He had the reigns of my life in His hand.

Christ within me forgives you Ken even though you crucify Him anew. Yes he forgives you for you know not what you do. Yours and my sin of vanity was covered even before the foundation. Thats the real "GOOD NEWS" and soon you will realize it. That is my sincere hope.

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Luk 23:34

Oh my what a Christ! What a gift! Thank you Father, thank you!

John

"In Gen. 22:16, God said, "I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore." Before you jump to the conclusion that God could only bless Abraham because he was willing to sacrifice Isaac, as many have down through the centuries, remember the Hebrew writer's assertion "For when God made a promise to Abraham, since he had no one greater by whom to swear, he swore by himself" (Heb. 6:13). Abraham could only have been willing to sacrifice Isaac by the faith God implanted in him. God depended upon Himself, not upon Abraham, to fulfill His promise."
Jan Antonsson

God bless,

John

Keep on siffering! Thats what you want thats what you get and will continue receiving and it won't mae you any more holy, righteous, pure, or Godly than what you already re. But talk about a works mentality youhave it big time, its just tha the works youbelieve are doing some od are things God sent Jesus to deliver us from not to put on us. I AM DONE WITH THIS!

For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ. 2Cor 1:5

always carrying about in the body the dying of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. 2 Cor 4:10

Ken once you meet the real Jesus, you will realize He suffers within us, for He is the friend that sticketh closer than a brother. This is also part of understanding the passion of Christ and His love for His creation which are you and I. Christ's crucifixion was not just manifest two millennia ago but He dies and lives within us today. Such is the wonder and mystery of our Saviour and Lord, Christ Jesus.

Brother you follow from afar off and this is not your fault as you have nary heard His call from deep within. You like so many are still bound by the "Prosperity Gospel" that excludes suffering as beneficial to our being made in His image. As He suffers so do we, my friend ........ and it is His workings not ours and they are done at His pleasure. He teaches us and enables us to lay our lives down. Do not be afraid Ken, for His suffering which is our suffering brings forth Glory and that is His too ....
God All in All.

Hast thou no scar?
No hidden scar on foot or side or hand?
I hear thee sung as mighty in the land.
I hear them hail thy bright ascendant star.
Hast thou no scar? Hast thou not wound?
Yet I was wounded by the archers spent.
Leaned me against the tree to die and rent
By ravening beasts that compassed me I swooned.
Hast thou no wound? No wound, no scar.
Yes, as the Master shall the servant be,
And pierced are the feet that follow Me.
But thine are whole. Can he have followed far
Who has no wound or no scar?
JPE

God bless,

John

Perhaps it is not me who needs to meet the real Jesus. Could just be you. Either way I hope your life of suffering in your flesh brings you all you think it will, but when you truly realize that your suffering produces nothing for you or anyone else then perhaps you will also open up to truth. Until then, stay blind and dumb as you seem to be when you speak so many times.
As for me I will continue to worship the great savior of all men the Lord Jesus Christ who took all of the suffering of the worldupon himself so the world could be delivered from suffering.
And if that amounts to a prosperity gospel to you then so be it. I would rather preach a prosperity gospel any day than a poverty and suffering message that you present on a regular basis.
Ken

Dont even waste your time trying to convince me any more as your words are falling to the ground as they carry NO WEIGHT at all in my understanding of the Lord whom I serve. They will never carry weight so dont waste your time trying to present your religiious dogma and trash to me. I knew better than that when I was 10 years old and my understanding of the glorious God doesnt have room for your schizophrenic God who cant decide whether He wants to heal me or make me sick.

"Might Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?" (Job 2:10ff)

Didn't God say, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

Does this not speak of our omnipotent God? "For Whom are all things, and by Whom are all things (Hebrews 2:10ff)."

See your mighty God. See how He wounds and how He heals. Does God not say, "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand. (Deuteronomy 32:39)

Let us not be afraid to suffer my friend, for "the blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly." (Proverbs 20:30)

Lastly let us not be afraid to die for "the LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up." (1Samuel 2:6)

Be blessed and be brave,

John

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Be blessed,

John