I started thinking about those who as a rule, do not plant bad seeds. How do they learn? Of coarse I know we all plant some bad, but I think about those who have lived their life irreproachably good.

When overpowering conditions happen, perhaps our experiences do not give us the ability to perceive understanding. I am radical about the law in the earth of seed, time, and harvest. I have experienced it in a most unbearable way, and I am no longer vailed to the consequential outcome in the earth.

God gave us our earth experience to live at our discretion, and the law of the earth was in place as to regualte or govern outcome. We will judge ourselves, when we understand this law.

Having said this, I also say God does not put sickness, calamity, misfortune etc.... on his creation. I will say again, our earth is out of balance because of the way we have abused and misused it.

When distress came in my life, for the most part, I could go back and see what I had planted. I do not believe everthing that happens to us is because of what we planted ourself, but because of where our earth is today.

This is why we give it no place, the earth part of us is destroying itself. There are two of us, and we recognize our higher self, which is immortal, and we embrace the new man. What God is doing in the new creation is miraculous, and when we come to understand we are the Govenor's Mansion, and that we house the very same Spirit, the Lord from Heaven, we won't give place to the old man.

I know I am repeating myself, but I believe people who have lived life with good intentions, and have not seen the consequences of irresponsible behavior are vailed to how this law works in the earth. I know this conversation could lead to what the tree of good and evil produce, and to some extent, this may apply. I do not understand how the derivative of sickness is questionable to an old man. The diagnoses I recently faced was never understood as to where it came from by the medical field. I saw seed I believe I planted as the result of this, and never once questioned the God I have come to know, and him putting this on me. Again, I am thinking out loud.

"Institutional Christianity is addicted to the idea that for things to work out right between us and God, "we have to do our part," and if we do, then "God will do His part." That makes God dependent upon us "getting it right" before He can get on with His purpose and will. At the heart of our flesh's alienation from God, at the heart of our blindness and ignorance, is the desire to get credited for "holding up our part of the deal."
John Gavazonni

Every detail in your life Gayle has been pre-ordained for your perfection ..... even your falls to humble you. Same with me, Gayle.

"...out of Him and through Him and into Him is the all: to Him be the glory into the eons! Amen!" (Romans 11:36, CLT*)

God bears the ultimate responsibility for all men and all their deeds (Rom. 11:32; I Cor. 11:12).

"For who has resisted His will?" (Rom 19:9)

"For it is GOD who works in you both to WILL and to DO of His good pleasure." (Php 2:13)

I am sorry to say, but what you have done with your message, is attempt to make God a liar. That is a dead end also.

John

Lynette Wood-Lessons from Life

I cannot give anything of worth to anyone until I have nothing of myself to give.
I cannot experience real Life until I am dead and buried.
I cannot know Freedom until I am content to be locked away.
I cannot know Rest until I can completely give up on myself and my plans.

I cannot live in the Light if I cannot bear the exposure of being seen.
I cannot know Truth unless I stop deceiving myself with lies.
I cannot walk in the Way until I quit studying the map.
I cannot know Hope until I'm convinced of how hopeless I am.

I cannot enjoy Peace without going through many storms.
I cannot experience amazing Grace if I secretly believe I deserve it.
I cannot receive Mercy until I stop trying to save myself.
I cannot completely trust Another until I no longer trust myself.

I cannot really pray until it is not me that is praying.
I cannot truly cry until it is not me that is crying.
I cannot really sing until it is not me that is singing.
I cannot truly laugh until it is not me that is laughing.

I cannot truly live until it is not ME that is living...

For me to live is Christ and to die is gain.
I can do all things through Christ Who empowers and strengthens me.
Phil 1:21; 4:13.

John

The letter on the page kills, and the Spirit gives life. We become the word made flesh and until you get it off the page, its only the letter.

You need to experience God and the word to have something to say that might change lives because the letter is dead untill it becomes you. You set yourself up to father those who are on this site and you have not earned the right to speak into these lives. You have the right to your opinion, and all the scripture you want to quote, but when you critique ministry, you are rude, and causing a spirit of confusion.

You can minister what you believe without criticism, and the attitude that you are the teacher. We are not looking for an arguement, and I feel like this has already been said to you under other names.

I long to see you healed, and in good relationship with all ministry, including those who believe different then you. Have a great day, love In Christ, Gayle

You see as I said earlier, scripture can be made to say about anything. To be Truth, it needs adjoining witnesses which be Christ, the Word and the Spirit.

I'm not looking to father anyone ....no desire whatsoever but it seems that is a big thing on this forum and with you and yours. Possibly you are projecting.

Now I think there is but one problem here and one problem only. That being the Truth burns the flesh. You guys want your free will, not realizing it is but an illusion of the vanity God cast Adam into.

OH well, we have been around this mountain before haven't we. Be blessed,

John